Question by A1: Any experts on Atkins or South Beach or other low carb high nutrition diets for comments?
I am looking for any expert advisers who would take the time to comment on my views.

Simply because I do not want to steer anyone down a path to poor health since I have been down several myself and with bad results.

So I am seeking comments on my post that follows:

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Hi,

After reading your question I saw you were interested in optimizing your nutrition [(-:] so even though I may not be able to answer your question exactly as you may have wanted it answered, I thought I would take the time to pass on some pointers I have learned the hard way from my own bad ‘uninformed’ choices, so you could learn about good advice and bad advice about good nutritional choices.

I am always impressed that there is oftentimes some good advice and good links from people helping others through Yahoo_Answers.

A good ‘reference’ high_nutrition low cost diet plan is given below in PS1 that I have found to have been the best possible nutrition for me to cure my heart disease problem from too many carbs for too long. It is also the best diet to help with my present health issues – that I know are cholesterol and calcium related because these foods are triggers for me now.

I used to be an old advocate of the Atkin’s meat and fat diet before I knew what I now know, so nowadays I do not recommend Atkins high protein and fat diet for long term but would always recommend a “high- nutrition” 96% VEGAN diet replacing most meat with lentils – but many people will not do this. Sooo even though I give a diet plan in PS1 below, let me share a little first to help you understand how losing and gaining weight can best be done to be stronger and healthier for the long term.

You may already know this but if not let me first explain that keeping to a plan that fights against bad habits that might be on the verge of seriously tearing down your body is sometimes pretty tough – but being fit and strong versus being overweight and/or sickly is all about (1) how many calories you eat versus how many you burn and (2) IF your calories are primarily the BEST QUALITY PROTEINS or primarily junk sugar-carbs.

Please consider that it is not just how few carbs and fats and how much lean protein you eat in order to become ‘stronger,’ but how many absorbable non-toxic vitamin and minerals are obtained from the protein or fats you would eat.

For instance, egg whites have 89% protein, but egg whites are similar in its nutrition per calorie as to eating sweet corn that usually has only about 15% protein. So even though the higher protein egg whites ‘look’ good IF ALL you look at is the protein content, it is really not much better for you than sweet corn.

Not good if you understand that they identified the pellagra problem in the 1930’s south was the result of the high calories and minimal amounts of vitamins and minerals caused by a diet of primarily sweet corn. [See: <> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pellagra <>] This disease has identical long term health effects as the scurvy and beriberi problems that are also a result of eating too many calories with not enough nutrients. They cured pellagra in dogs by giving them liver and brewers yeast, but the problem with these are the long term effects of cholesterol in the liver and the short term toxic effects of elemental copper in the brewers yeast that is the rust residue from the vats the yeast is grown in.

A similar lesser nutrition choice would be when eating tenderloin versus spinach. Boiled spinach has about 56% protein to beef tenderloin’s 61% protein, but spinach has almost 700%, or seven times, the vitamin and minerals of tenderloin calorie per calorie. The problem with spinach is that the spinach calories would cost about ten times the cost of beef calories. Spending $ 50 per day to eat several pounds of spinach may make any animal as strong as an elite triple-crown race horse, but few people can afford to spend that much for their food – so meat protein is what people typically consume. Even so, many longevity experts like Roy L. Walford M.D. and Joel Fuhrman M.D. encourage their clients to eat 200 calories of leafy greens a day – which ‘might’ cost about $ 10 per day but it is a small price to pay when considering the strength, longevity, and good health it would promote. Dr. T. Colin Campbell would also agree with this regimen.

Take a few minutes to understand ‘good’ nutritional advice versus poor advice and I hope you will have learned something from my ‘mistakes’ that will soon help you along your way.

<>< My best to you and for your good health, A1 [(-:] PS1 – This is my diet plan since I became a 96% VEGAN: Your body's fat with no water in it has 9 calories per gram which is about 4091 calories per pound of fat. The number usually used for body fat is 3500 calories which ‘assumes’ 14.4% water in an average person’s fat, but this would depend upon if you ate salty or spicy foods a-lot before you would start a new regimen. Protein is 4 calories per gram whether you eat it or burn it from your own body. So after burning up all your body’s fat stores and you would then occasionally burn up your own muscles as a source for your vitamins and minerals, your muscles will then never have a-lot of cells that are decades old ‘if’ you stay active. I would choose to lose 2 pounds a week of fat by reducing 500 calories a day and adding exercise five times a week. Walking at 3 mph is 85 cal/mile for a 160 pound person and for 200 pounds is 106 cal/mile or 145 cal/mile at 5mph. Also, you will lose a lot of water weight when you eliminate salt and spicy foods, probably about four to five to ten pounds the first two weeks. To minimize the meat-cholesterol in my own diet I have seen that the requirements of B12 can only be obtained from eating 6 ounces of beef heart every week for 16% Cholesterol, or 11 oz of beef round steak every week for 11% Cholesterol, or 1 oz of beef liver every week for 4% Cholesterol and never chicken since for B12 it would require a whopping 175 ozs per week and a whopping 201% cholesterol a day. Soo I suppose I am a 96% VEGAN in order to satisfy the USDA’s B12 Recommended Dietary Allowances (RDAs) that ‘they’ recommend be obtained directly from food sources. I am still researching this topic because the Schilling test for B12 anemia seems skewed against VEGANS and people that may actually have an abundance of B12, and so would dump any excess from a test into their stools, as would be normal when a healthy person’s body would automatically dump excess nutrition or toxins their body could never adequately assimilate. [SEE:<> http://www.innvista.com/health/ailments/anemias/labtests.htm <>] Also, consuming a VEGAN B12 supplement that is linked with cyanide as a ‘preservative’ might provide a quick buzz or temporary stimulant, but my liver might not ever heal from the ‘upper’ it would be causing. [SEE:<> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanocobalamin <>]

I am always seeking for researchers who might have done more research than I have, so please feel free to email me. [(-:]
Even so, for today I still crock pot for 12 hours ground up beef heart and am eating one ounce a day with lentils and spinach in one meal to improve the meats passage through my gut to the stool, and to buffer my digestion/elimination since eating meat alone ‘used_to’ cause reddish stools for me. One day a week instead of beef heart I eat one ounce of beef liver, which adds up to ~200+% the B12 recommended by the USDA with only 20% of the maximum recommended cholesterol.
For a highly nutritional 1200 calories in a day I eat 100 calories of squeeze drained spinach with a light_sugar_vinaigrette, 500 cals from 16 ozs of organic lentils w/ 50 cals of tomato marinara, or since I might be allergic in my gut to nightshade tomatoes I recently began using onion flake-powder instead of tomatoes, [SEE<>http://www.tomatocasual.com/2008/03/01/tomato-allergies-part-i/#comment-10748 <>], 50 calories of boiled celery, 175 calories of boiled broccoli, and never more than 200 calories of ‘meat’ which is about 4 ozs, and never boiled chicken, since chicken has only ~68% the nutrition per calorie of properly grown lentils and only 7% the B12 for the equal calories from beef round steak. Beef heart has ~127% the nutrition per calorie of ‘organically’ grown lentils and organic spinach has ~500%, five times per calorie of lentils.

Again, I hope this helps you or others to understand good choices.

A1
PS2 – I posted ‘my_story’ and why I know what I know at:

<> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090922235820AArWxgX <>

PS3 – I currently feel that what Dr. Fuhrman MD teaches is the best nutritional information available in the nation.

http://www.diseaseproof.com/archives/cat-low-carb-high-protein.html

http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/vegetables-and-vegetable-products/2627/2
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http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=43

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/

http://www.foodnews.org/index.php

Source(s):

I have learned what I now know after my own lengthy research efforts to improve my health – after ‘FINALLY’ listening to unbiased researching nutritionists. I have shared extensively concerning the most critical nutritional statistics that are common to us all at: <> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090922235820AArWxgX <> AND <> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091025223942AAni6lC <>.
Also, after all my previous health problems due to following considerable bad anecdotal ‘advice,’ I can now understand the frustrations of other health researchers in the following quote within “The China Study” by T Colin Campbell pg 1: >>==>

“Even though information and opinions are plentiful, very few people truly know what they should be doing to improve their health.”

“This isn’t because the research hasn’t been done. It has. But the real science has been buried beneath a clutter of irrelevant or even harmful information – junk science, fad diets and food industry propaganda.”

“The China Study” by T Colin Campbell pg 1

Again, I hope you consider my mistakes and would not duplicate them, OK?
xaxorm,

You stated the following:
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The data is a problem. Vegans tend to have a problem with science!

“…So even though the higher protein egg whites ‘look’ good IF ALL you look at is the protein content, it is really not much better for you than sweet corn. ”

What???? Egg whites have a higher proportion of protein than corn, which has a higher proportion of carb calories. When compaing the calories, fat, protein, carbs, etc in different foods, you should compare typical serving sizes, not percentages, or porportion really.

“Boiled spinach has about 56% protein to beef tenderloin’s 61% …”

Again, that is not right. beef is far richer in protein than spinach. Spinach has hardly any nutrition at all, granted what is does have is some protein. You need to talk in terms of the amounts of those nutrients in typical serving sizes…say a half cup of spinach vs. 8oz of meat. Anything else is confusion.

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From xaxorm: @ http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=As2UthzL7yKD5VsBVInFYxMazKIX;_ylv=3?qid=20091101224638AAFkuaI
From xaxorm: @ http://answers.yahoo.com/my/profile;_ylt=Aq2IAXuSYzlu.Q9hPgLFivPsxQt.;_ylv=3?show=WseLyvSpaa
Your comment(s):

“Boiled spinach has about 56% protein to beef tenderloin’s 61% …”

<> These numbers are correct for a protein_calorie per total_calorie basis – with the total calories being from all the fats carbs and protein for each 100 calories. <>

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“Again, that is not right. beef is far richer in protein than spinach. Spinach has hardly any nutrition at all,”

<> IF you will review the link at: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091025223942AAni6lC you will see that spinach has 596 %DV versus a lean tenderloins 81 %DV for the totalized %DV’s per 100-calories for the nutrients of Thiamin, Riboflaven, Niacin, Vit B6, Folate, Calcium, Iron, Magnesium, Phosphorus, and Zinc for ten items total.

So the spinach has 736% more nutrition per hundred calories than the tenderloin for these ten elements.

I hope this has helped you to understand what Dr. Fuhrman and others are trying to teach about nutritional density.

My best to you.
AI – nutritionIsT ><3>[(-:]
One last point – this is an excerpt of the listing to show the rankings of spinach egg whites corn and tenderloin.

Numeric Total of %DV’s/100-calories for Thiamin, Riboflavin, Niacin, Vitamin B6, Folate, Calcium, Iron, Magnesium, Phosphorus, and Zinc for the ten items totalized.

596 | SPINACH,CKD,BLD,DRND,WO/ SALT
571 | SPINACH,RAW
439 | CABBAGE,NAPA,COOKED
403 | CABBAGE,CHINESE (PAK-CHOI),CKD,BLD,DRND,WO/SALT
390 | ASPARAGUS,CKD,BLD,DRND
390 | MALABAR SPINACH,COOKED
381 | LETTUCE,COS OR ROMAINE,RAW
376 | TURNIP GRNS,CKD,BLD,DRND,WO/SALT
376 | PARSLEY,DRIED
374 | NEW ZEALAND SPINACH,CKD,BLD,DRND,WO/SALT
373 | PARSLEY,RAW
351 | PUMPKIN LEAVES,CKD,BLD,DRND,WO/SALT
349 | RICE BRAN,CRUDE [FLAWED DATA > vitamins & cals locked into insoluble fiber is not digestible.]
344 | MUSTARD GRNS,CKD,BLD,DRND,WO/SALT
343 | SPINACH,FRZ,CHOPD OR LEAF,CKD,BLD,DRND,WO/SALT
339 | SPINACH,CND,NO SALT,SOL&LIQUIDS
82 | SALMON,PINK,CKD,DRY HEAT
81 | BEANS,KIDNEY,ALL TYPES,MATURE SEEDS,CKD,BLD,WO/SALT
81 | BEEF,TENDERLOIN,LN,0″FAT,CHOIC,CKD,BRLD
80 | SEEDS,FLAXSEED
77 | LIMA BNS,LRG,MATURE SEEDS,CKD,BLD,WO/SALT
76 | FLATFISH (FLOUNDER&SOLE SP),CKD,DRY HEAT
74 | CHICKEN,BROILERS OR FRYERS,BREAST,MEAT&SKN,CKD,RSTD
74 | STRAWBERRIES,RAW
73 | LEMONS,RAW,WITHOUT PEEL
72 | BLACKBERRIES,RAW
72 | MILK,WHL,3.25% MILKFAT
64 | EGG,WHITE,RAW,FRSH
64 | ONIONS,RAW
63 | RASPBERRIES,RAW
62 | FISH,TILAPIA,CKD,DRY HEAT
61 | CORN,SWT,YEL,CKD,BLD,DRND,WO/SALT
61 | OATS
61 | WHEAT,HARD RED SPRING
60 | PEANUTS,SPANISH,RAW
59 | ORANGE JUC,FRZ CONC,UNSWTND,UNDIL
58 | ORANGES,RAW,FLORIDA
58 | CHEESE,COTTAGE,LOWFAT,1% MILKFAT,NO NA
58 | EGG,WHL,CKD,HARD-BOILED
57 | ORANGE JUC,CND,UNSWTND
57 | PAPAYAS,RAW
56 | LOUIS RICH,TURKEY BREAST (OVEN RSTD,PORTION FAT FREE)
So corn is 61% and egg whites are only 64% – which will likely end in inadequate micro-nutrition to adequately sustain life for very long – and pellagra scurvy or beriberi would likely be the result if this poor of micro-nutriton would be eaten for the long term.

I hope this helps.

AI – a self taught nutritionIsT >< +>[(-:]

Best answer:

Answer by xaxorm
The data is a problem. Vegans tend to have a problem with science!

“…So even though the higher protein egg whites ‘look’ good IF ALL you look at is the protein content, it is really not much better for you than sweet corn. ”

What???? Egg whites have a higher proportion of protein than corn, which has a higher proportion of carb calories. When compaing the calories, fat, protein, carbs, etc in different foods, you should compare typical serving sizes, not percentages, or porportion really.

“Boiled spinach has about 56% protein to beef tenderloin’s 61% …”

Again, that is not right. beef is far richer in protein than spinach. Spinach has hardly any nutrition at all, granted what is does have is some protein. You need to talk in terms of the amounts of those nutrients in typical serving sizes…say a half cup of spinach vs. 8oz of meat. Anything else is confusion.

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